Price per day... private painting and decorating

WaymanThreads: 4 Posts: 52 Joined: Jan 20, 08 ♂	May 1, 11, 16:59 #1
Hello forum just a quick question i have been asked by a family member in Poland to do some private work ' painting and decorating ' but i have no idea what kind of price people charge for such work in Poland ' would anyone have any idea what to charge as a daily rate ' Thanks in advance .

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	May 1, 11, 17:12 #2
Wayman: some private work they buy materials u provide labour cost for the whole job, not hourly rate. get in and out as quickly as possible. how many rooms, square meters ?

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Edited by: Wayman May 1, 11, 18:19 #3

Wroclaw:

they buy materialsu provide labourcost for the whole job, not hourly rate.get in and out as quickly as possible.how many rooms, square meters ?

There providing materials i am just doing the labour the rooms are various sizes very large ' The rooms are high ceilings ' about 6 mtrs by 6 mtrs then another room 6 mtrs by 10 mtrs square 'walls need filling 'sealing then 2 coats of dulux ' its for a family member but i am doing him a favour ' just want some idea of what kind of price a painter charges here in Poland as i work for far more money in the uk obviously ' day rate that is '
also have some other jobs to do for him ' fitting wall to wall shelfs ' he will again provide materials i will provide my own tools as i have my own tools ,Thanks for the reply . I have worked in the uk on price work ' an i am a professional builder quality finnish 'but this is my first bit of work in poland . more to come i have no doubt as he hade a polish guy refit a toilet that took 3 weeks size was 1 meter by 1 meter square ' re plasterboard walls an tile a floor ' how it took him 3 weeks is beyond me as all pipe work is surface ' real low quality workmanship .

beckskiThreads: 19 Posts: 2,148 Joined: May 15, 07 MEMBER ♀	May 1, 11, 21:10 #4
Wayman: i have been asked by a family member in Poland to do some private work ' painting and decorating Imo, may not be a good idea to do business with family members in Poland, nor anywhere for that matter. A sincere thanks PF, for putting up with me FIVE terrific years, muah!

inkrakowThreads: 2 Posts: 44 Joined: Jan 15, 11 ♀	May 1, 11, 21:17 #5
Wayman: just want some idea of what kind of price a painter charges here in Poland Here in Krakow I just paid 10zl/m2 to wash down, prime and paint with 2 coats of emulsion. Also, have a look here for more ideas: http://malowanie-warszawa.pl/cennik-malowanie/cennik-malowanie-wnetrz. html

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May 1, 11, 21:36 #6

Wayman:

but this is my first bit of work in poland

i can't help u with a price. but as this is the job that sets your reputation and u knowing that u are good, i would keep the price quite high.

in Poland when people come cheap they don't get taken seriously.

in your line of business the client often has little idea of what is required. so when it comes to bigger projects include knowledge of interior design. offer plenty of ideas etc.

some of the posters on here know a bit about fitouts maybe they can offer a few thoughts.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	May 1, 11, 21:42 #7
I just paid 12/m2 in Wroclaw, if that helps.

warszawskiThreads: 60 Posts: 2,389 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	May 1, 11, 21:52 #8
inkrakow: Here in Krakow I just paid 10zl/m2 to wash down, prime and paint with 2 coats of emulsion I also pay 10zl/m2 in Warsaw, they provide all materials except paint and will also remove all cracks and refill. The only thing we have to do is remove all electric points ready for painting. In Poland never get a quote by the hour, only price per job.

THE HITMANThreads: 1 Posts: 416 Joined: Jun 15, 10 ♂	May 1, 11, 22:28 #9
Stay in bed Wayman.

painting	May 1, 11, 23:05 #10
Thanks for the feedback ' some helpfull tips ' as for staying in bed not my style intend on showing off a quality finnish as its family an from seeing some the cowboy work here i am more than happy to provide a quality job. Thanks to all.

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May 2, 11, 17:33 #11

painting:

' some helpfull tips '

Materials in Pl are alot different to the UK, Cekol is used as a substitute for plaster and sucks like a sponge. One unibond coat is insufficient to seal the surface. Extra coats means it,s more time consuming, aswell as using more materials.
Primers and undercoats are a rarity, and vastly inferior to BS standards.
There is also little choice with colour ranges for gloss paints and again no undercoats ( no colours ).

These are but a few examples of whats facing you. Be sure to take this into account when pricing, or you could be shooting yourself in the foot.

Good luck.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	May 2, 11, 20:55 #12
THE HITMAN: There is also little choice with colour ranges for gloss paints and again no undercoats ( no colours ). well I am not an expert but from what I gather there is no such thing as real gloss paint in Poland (or maybe I have missed out on a couple of things)

THE HITMANThreads: 1 Posts: 416 Joined: Jun 15, 10 ♂	May 2, 11, 21:46 #13
gumishu: no such thing as real gloss paint in Poland Well I,m sure they don,t use varnish or stain on metalwork,aswell as woodwork that needs hard coating. Of course there is gloss paint in Poland, but where is the primers and undercoats to go with it as per manufacturers specifications. It,s like trying to bake a cake without one of the ingredients.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	May 2, 11, 21:58 #14
gloss paints were not very popular in Poland - and they were completely different technologically - and hmm they were not as glossy as what is full gloss paint in England (from what I have seen)

peterwegThreads: 35 Posts: 1,997 Joined: Feb 16, 07 ♂	May 2, 11, 22:00 #15
I paid somewhere between 10-12zl per m2 in Krakow, plus all materials

THE HITMANThreads: 1 Posts: 416 Joined: Jun 15, 10 ♂	May 2, 11, 22:09 #16
gumishu: (from what I have seen) Exactly. I imported my paint from the UK, and constantly my neighbours comment how my windows are so shiny and don,t flake after a few years weathering.

painting

May 3, 11, 00:26 #17

It's not a problem to have undercoat or sealer shipped from the uk as i have friends who are in the trade ' its mostly about preperation if u don't prep it correctly then u can say 100% it will not last same with a good gloss finnish u also dont stock good brushes here no Hamiltons or purdy 'as for price work if they are willing to have a quality job then i will import the materials from the uk but if they want a polish job then i can give them that aswel once they see a nice job then just like your windows people can see the difference in the finnish an as u say they will not flake ' i would allways recomend 2 coats of undercoat then a light flick with good quality gloss :)

THE HITMANThreads: 1 Posts: 416 Joined: Jun 15, 10 ♂	May 3, 11, 00:53 #18
If you want to do good prep work, I suggest getting a 25kg bag of tetrion filler shipped too. Oh ! and a few different grades of green oxide sandpaper. From experience, nothing worse than being here and not having some of the better quality gear to hand. Good luck with your venture, hope I,ve been of help.

painting

May 3, 11, 08:31 #19

Thanks Hitman i brought over a shed load of sandpaper :) sanding blocks purdy rollers an even two part fillers including a bag of tetron about 20 tubes of painters mate witch is all in storage 'your version of pva is like water so i will be getting a load sent over with some other stuff have a polish company i use to ship hade a larhe amount of stuff shipped with no damage so far at 4 zlotty a kilo ' thanks again for your advice seems u have done a fair bit in the trade yourself 'i multitrade myself carpentry aswel as brickwork an plastering and plumbing 20 years in the building trade :) thanks again for the advice an tips :)

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Jun 15, 11, 19:43 #20

THE HITMAN

Tried to send u a PM but u have your setting on private so i have to post just to ask u a question as u seem to know the building trade rather well :)

In England we use a product called Pink finnish plaster ' it's the last coat we apply to a finnished wall before painting the wall it has to be set in pink finnish witch is apllied as the last coat of plaster' is the product the same in Poland and can u plaster it the same as u would in the UK do u get the same working time on it before it sets and would u know the name of the product as it's called in poland ' also do they sell rapid set tile adhesive in Poland as they do in the uk ' Thanks Hitman for any advice u can give me ' have a large job on the way 'seems they like my work over next job is a 3500 zl painting job with some plastering thrown in aswel 'the 3500 is just for the painting any idea what they charge to re plaster a square meter over here in Poland :)

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Jun 15, 11, 21:49 #21

After all the Poles that have worked the UK building sites, I don,t understand why one of them hasn,t come back and started to import our finnishing plaster. Far superior to anything I,ve seen in Europe or the USA/Canada. In Poland they use Cekol which seems very microporous ( sucks like a sponge ), or an equivulent to our plaster, a grey German one coat plaster similar to what you,ll find in Wickes. But the product finish is somewhat gritty and requires a lot face filling after which defeats the object. This product is also machine mixed and pumped into the room. Labour charge per sq metre 20 - 25 zloty.

Wayman:

do they sell rapid set tile adhesive in Poland

Yep !
Klej szybkoschnacy / klej elastyczny or wysoko elastyczny( not quite sure if this last one is quick drying ).
Brands to look for, I recommend Ceresit CM17 or Sopro 400.

Make a note and take with you to the merchants, they should get the idea of what you,re looking for.

WaymanThreads: 4 Posts: 52 Joined: Jan 20, 08 ♂	Jun 15, 11, 22:24 #22
Thank u once again Hitman will make a note of the products ' been a busy bee since my last post :) Thank u kindly once again for your help :)

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Jun 15, 11, 22:28 #23

Wayman:

any idea what they charge to re plaster a square meter over here in Poland :)

One thing that's worth telling you - in Poland, the usual practice is to quote a very high price, then go down a bit. Many people will also pay for something that they think is high quality (because the price is high) - so don't be afraid to ask for something really ridiculous.

I'd actually recommend trying to get away with UK prices if they look wealthy enough - don't be afraid!

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