Salary for an architect with 3years experience in warsaw

ziziThreads: 2 Posts: 9 Joined: Oct 15, 10 ♂	Oct 15, 10, 21:53 #1
Dear members, i am an architect with 3 years of experience in foreign western country. I am moving to Poland and searching for a job at an architecture office in warsaw; how much do i expect as salary? 3000 zl NET? 3500 ? 4000? please give me an advice, thank you.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Oct 15, 10, 21:55 #2
How do you plan on communicating if you don't speak Polish?

ziziThreads: 2 Posts: 9 Joined: Oct 15, 10 ♂	Oct 15, 10, 21:59 #3
Hi. Consider that i will learn (started basic), how much it will be? add to this that i am looking for an english speaking office in Warsaw. For a polish, how much they will pay with similar experiences?

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Edited by: SeanBM Oct 15, 10, 22:03 #4

zizi:

Hi. Consider that i will learn (started basic), how much it will be? add to this that i am looking for an english speaking office in Warsaw. For a polish, how much they will pay with similar experiences?

Considering that you speak no Polish and don't speak English very well, i think this will seriously impede your ability to get work.
How much will you get? you ask, No job means Nothing, I say.

ziziThreads: 2 Posts: 9 Joined: Oct 15, 10 ♂	Oct 15, 10, 22:05 #5
Thanks Sean BM. Another question: How much a Polish architect- who worked in the past for 3 years at a western architecture studio- will earn now in an architecture office in Warsaw?

ZedThreads: - Posts: 304 Joined: May 25, 10 ♂	Edited by: Zed Oct 16, 10, 01:53 #6
One of my friends, THE architect in his 30-ies, who's never left PL even temporarily, earns in excess of 50 grand per month and his apartment faces the Łazienki park :-)

ziziThreads: 2 Posts: 9 Joined: Oct 15, 10 ♂	Oct 16, 10, 12:04 #7
earns in excess of 50 grand per month ... what do u mean? how much is the salary? 5000?

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Oct 16, 10, 12:13 #8
SeanBM: Considering that you speak no Polish and don't speak English very well, i think this will seriously impede your ability to get work. How much will you get? you ask, No job means Nothing, I say. Yea, going to have to second that after the last comment..

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Oct 16, 10, 14:33 #9

Guys, are we teaching english on this forum, or giving advices and imputs regarding the thread posted? i am not natice english speaker, but i beleive that i can along with my english, i guess.

So far, i did not get an answer really from this forum. I will appreciate if you have an answer, otherwise, thank you, and those interested in this thread are not logging in to know their level of english.

Thanks.

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Oct 16, 10, 14:52 #10

zizi:

Guys, are we teaching english on this forum, or giving advices and imputs regarding the thread posted? i am not natice english speaker, but i beleive that i can along with my english, i guess.

So far, i did not get an answer really from this forum. I will appreciate if you have an answer, otherwise, thank you, and those interested in this thread are not logging in to know their level of english.

Thanks.

You asked a question, you got two answers, apparently you couldn't understand one because your level of English isn't that great...then you ask us not to criticize your English.

You got great advice, you won't get a job unless you speak Polish or at least near perfect English. You decided to ignore that, despite it being pretty good advice.

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: mephias Oct 16, 10, 15:07 #11
convex: convex I don't agree, I don't speak Polish or anything near to perfect English but I was able to find a job in Poland (even they have found me). , Although it is difficult he can find something (with smaller salary than Polish people or if he has experience on some rare area).

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Oct 16, 10, 15:12 #12
mephias: I don't agree, I don't speak Polish or anything near to perfect English but I was able to find a job in Poland (even they have found me). , Although it is difficult he can find something (with smaller salary than Polish people or if he has experience on some rare area). Good, then maybe you can help get this guy a job as an architect. Give him an advice.

mephiasThreads: 15 Posts: 812 Joined: Nov 14, 08 MEMBER ♂	Oct 16, 10, 15:33 #13
convex: Give him an advice According to this webpage average salary for an architect is 1200 euro. Prepare a professional resume and emphasize any specific experience you have.Sign up international job searching websites and apply if there is anything available.

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	Oct 16, 10, 15:52 #14
mephias: I don't agree, I don't speak Polish You live and work in Poland and don't speak Polish? Aren't you ashamed?

ziziThreads: 2 Posts: 9 Joined: Oct 15, 10 ♂	Oct 16, 10, 22:08 #15
Dear Mephias, thank you for your reply,feedback, and for the webpage; finally someone answered the question, without turning around and around and around and acting as a Godfather. Guys: just answer straight when you are asked a (simple) question. And if you don't have any answer, just don't waste your time by posting your comments. Regards.

ZedThreads: - Posts: 304 Joined: May 25, 10 ♂	Oct 17, 10, 01:52 #16
your straight answer is here: 3K PLN /month is a starving salary, unless you're from India or China. Sorry to be blunt that way.

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Edited by: mephias Oct 17, 10, 05:58 #17

mafketis:

Aren't you ashamed?

I know basics and although I don't need to use it at work I am trying to learn more (I was zero when I started to work here).
No, I am not ashamed at all. Are you ashamed when you ask stupid questions ?

zizi:

And if you don't have any answer, just don't waste your time by posting your comments.

It is one big problem in PF but on the other hand If SeanBM is saying it is difficult I wouldn't be very hopefull. IMO he is one of the most reliable member of PF.

The wiseone

Oct 17, 10, 08:58 #18

mephias:

If SeanBM is saying it is difficult I wouldn't be very hopefull. IMO he is one of the most reliable member of PF.

Poland is full of opportunity, give it a go and learn as you go along, SeanBM is one who enjoys the easy life and everything is owned to him, if he still lived in Ireland today he would be a hopeless case of being unemployable and living of benefits. He is the type that has cashed in on the economic situation in Poland a few years ago, give it time he will leave Poland empty handed.

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Edited by: SeanBM Oct 17, 10, 12:43 #19

I will not advise people to leave where they are and come to Poland if they can not communicate in Polish or English (properly).
It would be wrong of me not to point this out and if the poster can't take the reality I put to him, fair enough. Maybe he'll do brilliantly and be prime minister in a few years but with out proper communication skills, a job, a place to live etc... it's going to be really tough.

Thanks The wiseone, bitter, a coward and a psychic, do you do kid's parties?

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	Oct 17, 10, 14:18 #20
mephias: I know basics and although I don't need to use it at work I am trying to learn more You should have written that then. The way you wrote helps further the idea that newcomers don't have to learn Polish, the quicker that idea dies the horrible death it deserves the better.

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Oct 17, 10, 14:31 #21

zizi:

Dear members, i am an architect with 3 years of experience in foreign western country. I am moving to Poland and searching for a job at an architecture office in warsaw; how much do i expect as salary? 3000 zl NET? 3500 ? 4000? please give me an advice, thank you.

Experience with what? As a low level drawer? Project manager? Single dwelling homes or high rises? Do you know anything about the building code/regulations in Poland? As an architect I would think thats the first thing you need to know before working in an another country.

Honestly, as I have many friends who are architects, you may have an incredibly difficult time finding work since you a) dont know polish b) are not an english native speaker c) are not well versed in local building design/construction/regulations d) do not have much experience

The reason being that most architectural offices can find a million university students who would work for free that have all the things you dont.

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Oct 17, 10, 14:42 #22

There are some people in this world who still think of Poland as a third world country. Consequently, they think that if they are 'an architect' Poland should welcome them with open arms and on 'hello' give them a salary of 10,000PLN per month.
Question 1. - if they are a good architect - why don't they find employment in their own country?
question 2. You as an architect would not expect to go to Germany, France, Spain, Italy and without speaking the language land a good job, so why the hell do you expect to land one in Poland?

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Edited by: mephias Oct 17, 10, 14:51 #23

mafketis:

The way you wrote helps further the idea that newcomers don't have to learn Polish

It depends on what you do, You may not need to learn it at all or everything may depend on learning it quick, Poland is 4th country I have stayed more than six months with your logic I would need to be fluent in 5 languages.

And if we talk about English, daily communication is more difficult part but if you are working on some technical subject medium language skills may well be enough to do your work without any problem.

terri:

terri

Unfair and irrelevant, everyone is trying judge thread starter's technical capabilities if he succeed to have an interview with an employer his technical skills will queried, he will get the job or not depending on them.

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Oct 17, 10, 15:01 #24

terri:

Question 1. - if they are a good architect - why don't they find employment in their own country?

Maybe they want to move to Poland. Is that so strange?

terri:

question 2. You as an architect would not expect to go to Germany, France, Spain, Italy and without speaking the language land a good job, so why the hell do you expect to land one in Poland?

If you're a good architect, no. In most large companies the language is English.

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Oct 18, 10, 08:55 #25

convex:

If you're a good architect, no. In most large companies the language is English.

Are you saying that most large architectural companies in Poland use English on a day to day basis? My (limited second hand) information would indicate that's just not the case.

And unless you're a really good architect for high profile projects (in which case you're probably priced out of the Polish market), a non-Polish speaking architect is not going to be an asset inside Poland.

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Oct 18, 10, 11:39 #26

zizi:

Dear members, i am an architect with 3 years of experience in foreign western country. I am moving to Poland and searching for a job at an architecture office in warsaw; how much do i expect as salary? 3000 zl NET? 3500 ? 4000? please give me an advice, thank you.

The way you wrote that suggests to me that you are not native to a "foreign western country." You're probably from a third world country.

BTW, if you don't speak polish then your chances of finding employment in poland (other than ESL teacher) are very slim. There are many uni grads in poland having a hard time finding relevant work.

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	Oct 18, 10, 11:43 #27
Bolle: if you don't speak polish then your chances of finding employment in poland (other than ESL teacher) are very slim And the ESL option is basically just for native speakers (and I'd bet a lot of money that zizi does not belong to that category).

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Oct 18, 10, 12:24 #28
mafketis: Are you saying that most large architectural companies in Poland use English on a day to day basis? My (limited second hand) information would indicate that's just not the case. No, I'm saying that most large multinationals in Poland use English on a day to day basis.

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Oct 18, 10, 17:48 #29

convex:

No, I'm saying that most large multinationals in Poland use English on a day to day basis.

Does anyone deny this? (though enough daily things are still going to be done in Polish that an employee with no or minimal Polish skills is going to be a burden a lot of the time)

But it's of no real relevance to an independent non-native speaker of English in architecture (which deals so heavily with Polish government regulations and a mostly monolingual Polish work force that not knowing Polish will be a plain liability). And that's not addressing the fact that there are lots of qualified architecture graduates looking for internships and then jobs. I'm not sure what a non-Polish architect can bring to the table that can't be filled more simply and cheaply by local talent.

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Oct 18, 10, 18:40 #30

Convex: Maybe they want to move to Poland. Is that so strange?

Guys, Guys, Guys (and girls, girls, girls), concex said something so simple: I want to move to Poland,and for family reason.SO i might -as some of you wrote- get a good job offer elsewhere, whether in EU, US,..., but it is not an option,as something is decided: i am moving to Poland.

I just wanted to know the average salary for an architect with 2 years experience on various projects, various scales, and various missions. I don t know local regulations, and am aware that plenty of locals are looking too for jobs. I am thinking that maybe my english ability (though not native) and my experience abroad in the west (i am not a native ensligh speaker) might bring an asset, that' s it.Maybe i am wrong... Let s say if these facts bring nothing; well, let' s ask it that way even: how much money a Polish architect with 2/3 years experience after rgaduation will earn per month? gross?

The end, thanks.

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