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JCHRISThreads: 5
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Joined: Jun 4, 11 ♂ 		 Jan 11, 12, 20:23    #1
Dear All,

any idea how much a university/school of architecture might pay per hour for a part time position for a foreign architect with phd degree and 4 years teaching experience? teaching in english language. (many institutions now, becasue of Erasmus, are encourging lectures in their departments in english language).

Tx.
JCHRISThreads: 5
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Joined: Jun 4, 11 ♂ 		 Jan 13, 12, 19:35    #2
...any one to answer?
pipThreads: 11
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Joined: Jul 4, 11 ♀ 		 Jan 13, 12, 19:38    #3
no idea- but I remember it being discussed how poorly paid university professors were paid in Poland. still doesn't answer your question, sorry.
teflcatThreads: 6
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Joined: May 29, 11 ♂ 		 Jan 13, 12, 19:43    #4
You might get 60zł/hr on a freelance contract. That's a guess based on what I was getting a few years ago. I wasn't paid as much as that, but then I don't have a PhD. Weekend classes usually pay at time-and-a-half.
mafketisThreads: 17
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Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂ 		 Jan 13, 12, 19:49    #5
University staff are usually not paid by the hour and there's mostly no negotiating salary. Your best strategy is looking up schools of architecture in google and making personal visits (hiring tends to follow 'a bird in the hand' philosophy, just sending in a cv won't work). You'll need to stress that you're learning Polish as a non-Polish speaker in a Polish work environment is usually more trouble and effort than they're worth.

Also, erasmus may be encouraging English language lectures but the reality is different in Poland.

I've taught that kind of class for a couple of years now and a lot of people on Erasmus basically have trouble following a lecture in English.

And Polish architecture students are mostly not going to want lectures in english if they can get lectures in Polish (which they can).

But you never know until you try.
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Joined: May 29, 11 ♂ 		 Jan 13, 12, 19:57    #6
mafketis:
University staff are usually not paid by the hour

Correct. That's why I said freelance. In which case they are.
JCHRISThreads: 5
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Joined: Jun 4, 11 ♂ 		 Jan 18, 12, 10:39    #7
That s what i was thinking: Erasmus. I thought that universities now in Poland and in particular in main cities are giving or at least willing to provide more lectures in english, and that s a good chance for non-polish to find opportunity. In addition, as more Polish students are willing to travel for either work or internship, having some lectures in english will empower their language skills in their fields.

60 zl does not sound something good, expecially after tax reduction; i wonder how much a phd holder will get then.

any one knows how much they pay at warsaw polytechnic university?
mafketisThreads: 17
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Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂ 		 Jan 18, 12, 10:52    #8
JCHRIS:
I thought that universities now in Poland and in particular in main cities are giving or at least willing to provide more lectures in english


In theory yes, in practice not so much.

JCHRIS:
any one knows how much they pay at warsaw polytechnic university?


The easiest is to ask them. You don't have any bargaining power so you have nothing to lose. Keep in mind you're asking about starting next October since it's really doubtful that they'll be willing/able to have something for the summer semester (starting in february) and that polish universities are basically closed from july through september.
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JCHRIS:
60 zl does not sound something good


What makes you worth more?

Being able to speak English is nothing special in Polish academia.
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delphiandomine:
Being able to speak English is nothing special in Polish academia.

That's true. In some scientific subjects at Warsaw Technical University the PhD theses are written in English.

And I would think it is hard to find an architect in a big city under about 60 who doesn't speak at least reasonable English. Highly educated people under 35 almost always speak it.
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pip:
no idea- but I remember it being discussed how poorly paid university professors were paid in Poland. still doesn't answer your question, sorry.


7K per month each for my uncle and aunt. More than enough for a pleasant life in Krakow.
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Joined: Jun 4, 11 ♂ 		 Jan 20, 12, 00:25    #12
i have phd in architecture from abroad, i have 4 years teaching experience in 4 countries, i have a small studio and i have done some works ; sorry, but it is not just ab knowing english, surely it is not the asset that i am trying to invet in. I just know from years and years that i have a mission, and this mission is to teach, it is my passion; but it is very sad to know that it is not elavuated enough in poland....once someone told me that teaching in poland is a hobby for architects...while in some other universities in the world (even in some unstable and underdevelopped countties) they pay aloooooooooooooott, over 5000 usd for a phd holder with just 2 years of experience.


what the ministry of education in poland is waiting for to change this system, and carft new one that will bring in new blood to the architectural education and other education fields???
Angel-eyes  Jan 20, 12, 00:44    #13
Dude your above post is littered with mistakes, hardly a good advert.
mafketisThreads: 17
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Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂ 		 Jan 20, 12, 11:51    #14
Have you actually applied anywhere? Sent your CV around? Dropped by in person?

Have you done anything to make contacts?

Are you working hard to learn Polish so that you won't be a drag in a Polish speaking environment who'll need special treatment all the time?
PeterWeg03  Jan 20, 12, 12:19    #15
peterweg:
7K per month each for my uncle and aunt. More than enough for a pleasant life in Krakow.


Actually professors wage is 15K per month (languages)
HarryThreads: 62
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Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Jan 20, 12, 12:28    #16
" Actually professors wage is 15K per month (languages)"
Half that in Warsaw and Gdansk.
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Joined: Jun 4, 11 ♂ 		 Jan 23, 12, 17:41    #17
...u mean 1.5 K? (sure not 15 K= 15 000!)
Antekemigrantek  Jan 23, 12, 17:55    #18
JCHRIS:
...u mean 1.5 K? (sure not 15 K= 15 000!)

No he means 15000PLN.Consider that a teacher (nauczyciel dyplomowany) in a little town under 7000 population I personally know makes 5000PLN/month.
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Joined: May 29, 11 ♂ 		Edited by: teflcat  Jan 23, 12, 18:05    #19
Antekemigrantek:
Consider that a teacher (nauczyciel dyplomowany) in a little town under 7000 population I personally know makes 5000PLN/month.

A school teacher in a state school? Pull the other one.
A few years ago a friend of mine left teaching because he just couldn't live on his 1800PLN salary. He had fifteen years' experience, two MAs and was a Matura examiner.
Antekemigrantek  Jan 23, 12, 18:08    #20
teflcat:
A school teacher in a state school?

Yes,a school teacher in a state school in a little town in Poland.
teflcat:
Pull the other one.

??? Are you implying that I am not telling the truth?
Antekemigrantek  Jan 23, 12, 18:12    #21
To be precise, I mean of course salary before taxes or brutto like they say in Poland.
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Joined: May 29, 11 ♂ 		 Jan 23, 12, 18:18    #22
Antekemigrantek:
Are you implying that I am not telling the truth?

No, but I don't know any school teacher who earns 5000/month from one state school job.
Antekemigrantek  Jan 23, 12, 18:28    #23
teflcat:
No, but I don't know any school teacher who earns 5000/month from one state school job.

Good because I am telling the truth.Older teachers in Poland make decent money for Poland's standarts.The teacher I am reffering to is my mother.She's not even a school manager or a vice and I doubt she has 40 hours a week.I have to admit that I was surprised too.This 5000 does not include little perks(?) she gets from time to time though lately they are rarely financial bonuses,for instance she lately got a medal but there was no money bonus.
teflcatThreads: 6
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Joined: May 29, 11 ♂ 		 Jan 23, 12, 18:33    #24
eacea.ec.europa.eu/education/eurydice/documents/tools/salaries.pdf
The Polish Central Staistical Office states an average of 2811PLN/month for teachers at all school levels for 2005.
The above link quotes a figure of 41,819PLN/year (max) for senior high school teachers.
We'll just have to agree to differ.
Antekemigrantek  Jan 23, 12, 18:38    #25
teflcat:
The Polish Central Staistical Office states an average of 2811PLN/month for teachers at all school levels for 2005.
The above link quotes a figure of 41,819PLN/year (max) for senior high school teachers.
We'll just have to agree to differ.

You have posted stats from 2005.You know it's 2012?Your stats seem to be legit though,few years ago she was making +/- 3500PLN/month.
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Joined: May 29, 11 ♂ 		Edited by: teflcat  Jan 23, 12, 18:50    #26
The link is for more recent stats. As I said, we'll have to agree to differ. There are lots of more up-to-date lists than the one I cited, including a 2009 OECD report which gives $9186 as the entry level salary for teachers. That's $765/month. I wish you and your mother every success.
Antekemigrantek  Jan 23, 12, 18:59    #27
teflcat:
I wish you and your mother every success.

Thank you,same to you.
Antekemigrantek  Jan 23, 12, 19:25    #28
To make it clear I will add that she works there for over 25 years already and it's a state school for kids who can't make it in a regular school.It used to be called Szkoła Specjalna,I don't know about now but she gets some more money than she would in regular school doing the same thing.
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...so, anyone have heard of any upgrading in this domain? i mean salary upgrading?
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teflcat:
There are lots of more up-to-date lists than the one I cited, including a 2009 OECD report which gives $9186 as the entry level salary for teachers.


The latest figures do actually show 5000zl as being possible - I don't remember the terminology (pawian will, where is he?) - but a diploma teacher who also marks/creates exams and does a little bit more can make 5000zl brutto.

As Antek actually says - she'll be getting also extra money for teaching there, and with all the little bonuses for doing other things, 5000zl is quite realistic.

JCHRIS:
...so, anyone have heard of any upgrading in this domain? i mean salary upgrading?


What makes you think that they even want you?

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