If you were to compere Polish Unis and Unis/Colleges in your country...

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Dec 7, 10, 20:59 #61
Seanus: they couldn't mask the reality that Scotland is a small country with far too many graduates So you have also that problem in Scotland that there is to many people at colleges and too little on vocational courses? Shortage of common electricans but too many socjologists, does it sound familiar? ;)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 7, 10, 21:11 #62
Yeah, I'd say so. You can do as well as you want at uni in terms of passing exams and essays but when that course ends.....

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Dec 7, 10, 22:10 #63
zetigrek: So you have also that problem in Scotland that there is to many people at colleges and too little on vocational courses? Shortage of common electricans but too many socjologists, does it sound familiar? ;) Same problem. Perhaps not so many sociologists, but more "media studies" graduates and so on. Heck, you can even get a degree in "sound production" these days.

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Dec 7, 10, 22:15 #64

Yeah, my dad interviewed sb with an HNC in shampooing from Aberdeen College. OK, shampooing a dog is a bit different but it's sth most people do every day or every other day. Tragic!

There is much redundant crap tbh. There should be a far greater element of tailoring a course to the needs of industry but many are behind in that regard.

Simply put, you need to target your future workplace and gear yourself up towards working there as best you can. Many elements of courses will not help you in that sense.

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Dec 12, 10, 10:45 #65

zetigrek:

Note that Polish IT specialists are highly valued everywhere. I know many people who graduated such faculty (at public unis, not private which sucks) and they work around the world. So if you don't know something stop talking bs.

Maybe, but considering the huge demand for IT specialists at the moment, the typically uncreative nature of the job (perfect for Polish degrees) and the fact that most of the graduates spend all their leisure time playing with computers, it's not surpising is it? That and they charge half the price of graduates from the UK

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Dec 12, 10, 11:09 #66
MrBubbles: the typically uncreative nature of the job are you sure that's it's uncreative? I think programme developement is creative...

MrBubblesThreads: 13 Posts: 768 Joined: Nov 13, 07 ♂	Dec 12, 10, 18:34 #67
zetigrek: I think programme developement is creative... You obviously have a lot to learn about IT jobs.

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Dec 12, 10, 18:49 #68

Speaking from the inside, Polish universities are left far too much to their own devices. Individual teachers can just about put what they like in their courses without any reference to a central syllabus. This does allow good lecturers to produce high quality courses but it also means that less good teachers can get away with mediocre teaching, as students will conform to whatever the teacher teaches, in order to pass the course. The Polish students I teach are highly motivated and diligent in the main. It's a shame that the system lets them down sometimes!

landoraThreads: 1 Posts: 191 Joined: Oct 14, 09 ♀	Dec 12, 10, 19:37 #69
Rogalski: Individual teachers can just about put what they like in their courses without any reference to a central syllabus. This is very odd for me - I cannot work out why the programmes aren't validated in some way.

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Edited by: ItsAllAboutME Dec 12, 10, 20:51 #70

usnews.com/articles/education/worlds-best-universities/2010/09/21/worl ds-best-universities-top-400-.html

I searched for Poland in all the categories, including by subject and by region, and I couldn't find one Polish university.

On the other hand, the Financial Times listed Kozminski (?) University as #39 in European business schools. Haven't heard of that school.

rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/european-business-school-rankin gs-2010

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Dec 12, 10, 21:05 #71

ItsAllAboutME:

I searched for Poland in all the categories, including by subject and by region, and I couldn't find one Polish university.

As far as I recall, there's not one public university in the top 500 in the world.

ItsAllAboutME:

On the other hand, the Financial Times listed Kozminski (?) University as #39 in European business schools. Haven't heard of that school.

Yep, it's not a bad place. Well known as the place to go if you want to meet the movers and shakers in Poland.

ItsAllAboutMEThreads: 4 Posts: 358 Joined: Apr 30, 10 ♀	Dec 12, 10, 21:11 #72
As far as I recall, there's not one public university in the top 500 in the world. that's not true. Michigan & CA-Berkeley are both public.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Dec 12, 10, 21:15 #73
ItsAllAboutME: that's not true. Michigan & CA-Berkeley are both public. Ahh, I meant Polish public university!

Pinching PeteThreads: 1 Posts: 1,111 Joined: Feb 23, 08 ♂	Dec 12, 10, 21:40 #74
delphiandomine: Ahh, I meant Polish public university Not even, Krakow? I would think for the sciences they would make it.

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Edited by: Teffle Dec 17, 10, 14:40 #75

delphiandomine:

you can even get a degree in "sound production" these days.

What do you mean "even" ?!

It's pretty technical, scientific etc. I'm sure there are much more mickey mouse courses than that.

Ah just saw Seanus's example - that's more like it !

Pinching Pete:

Not even, Krakow?

AFAIK the Jagellonian is the best regarded Polish university - but I think it's ranked at 300 odd in Europe.

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