WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland

You should center on what you can demand.For example the Germans destroyed Warsaw by plan.There is the written document to do that signed by german legitimate government.They did not destroy Paris or Rome.So since Germany is now united,you may claim compensations.It is estimated to be 50 billion euros by Kaczynski's comitee.
Really you have the legal rights to get this amount.

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that GB had to send two people to kill him in order to revive some kind of resistance

Hitler loved the English,had no desire for war with Britain and would have been quite happy leaving us(and probably france) out of his euro tour,as it was peace feelers were being sent out

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Hitler loved the English,had no desire for war with Britain and would have been quite happy leaving us(and probably france) out of his euro tour,as it was peace feelers were being sent out

Well why the buggery else did they do it? For a spot of caravaning,a nice holiday around the med?Or maybe as a form of population control,you know,declare war because Poland was invaded just so we could have the pleasure of the lufftwaffe bombing our towns and cities for the next 5 years???????

What ?...Hitler thought French were a subrace (not as the same degree that some other ethnics, but still...), he wanted to conquer France.
About England, he said that English people were better than French, but didn't love them, where did you get that ?? The only "race" he loved was the so-called Aryan race, which he obviously didn't belong to...

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Plus, who would want to have a powerful neighbor who openly brakes all of it’s international deals?

What ?...Hitler thought French were a subrace (not as the same degree that some other ethnics, but still...), he wanted to conquer France.
About England, he said that English people were better than French, but didn't love them, where did you get that ??

What ?...Hitler thought French were a subrace (not as the same degree that some other ethnics, but still...), he wanted to conquer France.
About England, he said that English people were better than French, but didn't love them,

lol,you tell me,were next to France,youve got Russia ;)

Best regards to you and yours mate. Dan

lol,you tell me,were next to France,youve got Russia ;)

...OK, first of all we have to understand that there's no such thing as a friendship between two countries. There can be a friendship between Mr. X and Mr. Y, but never between two governments. We can only talk about interests here, and that's exactly what got together Poland and England in the second part of the 1930's.

Before that time English government had the politics not to engage into any closer relationships with the new-established Eastern countries. Actually at many occasions GB was acting against those states, like for example during the Polish-German border conflict over Silesia, where Britain took a determined stand in favor of Germans. Again, it didn't had anything to do with British attitude towards Poles. Just simply a stronger Poland meant a weaker Germany. A weaker Germany meant stronger France. Stronger France meant balance of power destabilization on the continent, and that was the last thing British government wanted to achieve. But there was also another reason why Europe needed a strong Germany. Bolshevik Russia

. It's hard to say when the west noticed the enormous danger from Stalin's side, but it is certain that Germany was suppose to be the last Western European line of defense. Now the game was to manipulate both nations into fight so that no French or English soldiers would lose their life’s. That was a very difficult task, a very risky game, where Poland was just a mere stooge. Just as the rest of the newborn countries, their role was to eventually give land for the Germans in order to appease them, just like it happened with Czechoslovakia.

A very important date and event is October 1925 and the treaties of Locarno, where France and Belgium sign an agreement with Germany authorized their boundaries. Nothing was said about German eastern borders. It was a very delicate way to show Germans their future direction of expansion, as far away from the west as possible.

Situation got complicated on the 24th October 1938. It is a date when polish ambassador, Józef Lipski, met with the German minister of foreign affairs, Jochim von Ribbentrop, and the topic was Poland and Germany signing an agreement. This situation caused an enormous panic in British government. With East German border secure they could easily invade France, which ment a step closer to England. That is why Brits (notice that when I say brits I don't think about British common people) started to make promises that were impossible to fulfill, like those about promising to attack Germany in case of their aggression towards Poland. British army was small and weak at that time. In no means ready for an invasion. Brits and French never thought serious about attacking Germans. They were hoping that maybe Hitler will get scared and give it a rest. Unfortunately the bluff didn't work. On the first sep 1939 Germany invades Poland. Tough situation, although still, both France and Great Britain, had the chance to withdrawn from the agreement. Actually it was what Hitler was pretty sure of. He hoped that they would do it, that way leaving this Polish-German conflict as a local one. Brits and French really surprised him this time. Of course they didn't send their troops to fight. They didn't want to risk loosing them outside their land. The times were getting tough and every man was needed in their homeland. Poland fought alone for a month. Never capitulated.

This brings us to the first question, was Poland betrayed? As I said before, it all comes down to how you want to interpret the facts. I'm of an opinion that we were being played, but not betrayed. But than again every one is entitled to his own opinion.

Simply the politicians in England decided that nazism was more threatening than communism for GB's exsitence as a power in a free anglosaxon world.They could not tolerate the antisemitism and freedom limitation Hitler wanted them to accept.

Yes, just like english propganda is to blame for the whole "churchill was fighting for you guys in Potsdam/Yalta", or "we engaged in the war because of you" wchich of course aren't true. And the truth lies as usually somewhere in between. Churchill didn't sold Poland in 1945, just as he didn't do anything to better our position. He simply didn't had the baragain power to do any of this. Add to that that his position at one pont was undermined by Roosvelt, who felt that by laughing of British forces somewhoe he will break the ice between him and stalin and you see how the things were at that time.

Basically during and just after the BOB, in times where Poland was basically the only ally of Britain Churchill made a lot of promises to polish people. We will never forget your deeds; we wont let you behind, etc etc blabla... The situation changed drastically after the German attack on Russia, when it became clear that there is a chance to construct an alliance with Russia. From that point alliance with Poland changed from a blessing to a very troublesome fact. Stalin didn't hide his intentions of keeping Eastern Europe for himself. Poles openly protested about the treatment of polish citizens by the Russians in 1939, about the invasion of that same year and mysterious missing of thousands of polish officers that were captured after the September campaign ( see Katyń,). At this point it would be better for Churchill to break one of those alliances, but in spite of yours and bubbawoos opinion that the polish contribution in WWII was meaningless, Churchill thought differently. Of course Polands military potential couldn’t be compared to these of Russia, but still 4 million people under arms through out the war which placed Poland on the fourth place when it comes to the number of forces in alliance ( that includes outside and inside the occupied country), polish intelligence that was responsible inter alia for sending information’s as well as pieces of V2 to England or for giving the precise location of place of production of the V1 and V2 (later on bombarded by RAF), polish resistance, which BTW was the biggest in Europe, etc… Because of these aspects Churchill decided to continue the relationship with Polish government on Exile and avoid answering any question about the future of Poland, delaying the resolving of this issue to a more suitable time, read after the war where Polish aid won’t be of any interest to Britain. I honestly don’t think that Churchill sold out Poland in 1945 but I do think that Polish government on Exile was being deceived through put the whole war. Basically priority for Churchill was to protect his people and so he did. He was forced to choose between his word and honor and the well being of his countrymen. Personally I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes but if I really had to choose I think that I would do the same as he did.

I believe that at the beginning Russia was the main threat fro GB and France and Germany was allowed to get into strength to be the last line of defense fro the western world. Still it was expected that the Russians will start the war and not Germany.

er Hitler conquored France his aim turned towards Britian had he won the battle of the air he would have invaded us and who knows what would have happened after that. As it was our superior Navy power and air force forefronted by the Spitfire and Hurricane somewhat spolied his plans. As a result he then made up some story of the whole battle being a big disguise for the real battle which was operation barbarossa " the invasion of Russia ".

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Eichmann, who was Jewish, and who co-ordinated secret relations/deals between the nazis and zionists

many people forget that there was a large massacre of Germans supposedly commited by Poles in the Danzig corridor right before the attack in September 1939...what was the background on this massacre?

i would tell them it was physically and military impossible to do so.

The argument being that most Poles seem to think "we" owe them something and cant acknowladge the simple fact that Britain got dragged into a war "we" could have easily avoided and in the process lost pretty much everything "we" had built up over 300 years only because we had a treaty with Poland to declare war on Germany if it invaded.