Do you think that Polish catholics resent the new German Pope?

Cult, what cult..... If you consider love for the Pope and what he has done a cult, than I guess all I have to say is sign me up



because he was born in Germany.... why in Germany, that you will have to ask God....



What inconsistency.... You can be a Catholic and vote Clinton..... what are you saying a Catholic can only vote for a Catholic. Good explanation is, she doesn't agree with all of Clinton's views or she doesn't agree with all of the churches views. Doesn't mean she can't support both.

I support Obama and he's muslim ...... Good people can be found in all faiths.

Sign me up too, woohoo!


And I'm looking forward to either the Obama/Hillary, or Hillary/Obama ticket, either of which I feel will be a clear cut winner. Hillary has already offered the olive branch, all Obama need do is take it.

This might be odd and impossible, but I would support a Obama/McCain ticket... Nothing better would be for this country than a President and a Vice President from two differant parties... Would go a long way to heal the divisions in Politics.

Parties should be in competition but a healthy competition and not the dirt you see now... they should realize when it's time for the competition to be over and when it's time to work together for the common good. IMO

Now Im not naive and realize this could backfire.... If the parties can't agree there could be a stalemate... However I have enough faith that with so much at stake, parties will have no choice but to find common ground....

Worst case scenerio the President can override the VP if they can't agree....

Now since this is impossible my next choice would be what Juilie said.........

So, you want to say that God was behind germanization? Christian God?

well, i can accept that way of thinking only if germanization was temptation for Slavs, imposed on us by God

by anology, those Slavs who were germanized live in sin.

Now, you maybe want to say that Pope Benedict live in sin (if he has Slavic origin)?

God loves all people not just Serbs or Slavs... What the fu*k does the Orthodox religion teach.

Almost forgot, good job at putting words in my mouth..... Maybe you can quote me.........

Indeed this is nothing wrong because for Polish people he was more than Pope. However people who somehow mentally transfer their liking of JPII to disliking of BXVI seriously lost their way...



Oh really? So I'm sure that you and Julie wont have any problem to answer for following question.

If Christians are unwilling to vote for candidates who would stand in defense of the Christian values then whom other people would do this? (We are talking about crucial issues not any trivial disagreements!)




This comment exposed your lack of knowledge of the US politics. Obama all the time repeating that he is a Christian. You don't know even this about politician that you are supposed to support. Of course in fact like Hillary he is an atheist, his political platform at this point is very similar with Clinton.

Anyway, you defend so much neocon offensive policy and now claiming to be supporter of Obama who is supposed to oppose this?



A banal, however I can assure you that among top politicians a chance to find such person is very tiny.



This is realistically impossible, whole system is based on this that these two parties are in opposition to each other. In fact this is the greatest success of both parties that they convinced Americans that their candidates are the only electable. If they would work together immediately some other parties would wish to fill this lack of opposition. This is something that neither Democratic or Republican establishment would risk.

Agreed no one is denying this......



What's good for religion is not always whats good for the country.... The church isn't always right you know....



You might be right, I heard that from friends whereas I should have done my own research... However its not religion what matters, it's his views... Plus this doesn't change the facts that good people can be found in all faiths... So whatever he is doesn't matter and shouldn't matter to anyone.... As long as he respects seperation of church and state....



Agreed but not impossible, plus it's time to change this....



Yes I already pointed this out.

Neither I nor any members of my family resent him. He was quite close to JP2
and that is also quite nice I think. The new Pope may have been someone
distant from the previous one.

brate, what`s wrong with you?? Are you on grass?

we don`t speak about Orthodoxy but about universal Christian values.

If majority of people would act like a good Christians, I have no idea how this could be harmful for the country. Of course unless this is for example fascist or communist country. Please show me how this is possible, an example?



While politicians are rarely right. However because we discuss some certain case, please write at which point Clinton's/Obama's platforms are right and the church is wrong? It is fundamental question of human life, when they question one of Ten Commandments?

what's wrong with you, your retarded if you think we should have a problem with the pope just because he's German



First Church is against abortion even if a person is raped..... What the fu*k.... How can we ask a women to have a baby of a rapist...... Second look at muslim nations where there is no seperation of church and state, it just breeds extremetism. Thirdly church doesn't believe in evolution. Fourthly Church and Science don't mix very well. There's many others.



First they respect abortion in case of rape. Second they respect seperation of church and state. They believe in evolution(whoever doesn't is a fu*ken idiot). They respect science. and many others.

So you can see the church is not always right, also whose to say what a good Christian is... Am I not a good Christian because I believe in evolution or becaue I believe a women has a right to abortion when she's raped.

Neither the Church or Politicians are always right, but as I said that doesnt mean that we can't support both?

enough said

in order to show my respect on your choice i would simple shut up on this matter

Do you know how they explain this position?



Please... Show me one Christian state without such separation, when bishops run the country like Mullahs? Please provide a link to official stand of the Catholic Church advocating for such solution? (Don't even bother, no such statements have been made) This is de facto populist pseudo-argument raised by the left during election campaigns.



Wrong again, Catholic Church don't deny evolution as long somebody don't claim that this theory exclude creationism. While from scientific point of view nobody ever proved that theory of evolution exclude theory of creationism.



You have no idea that in the past the church ran education in Europe and students somehow did not complain. Priest Nicolaus Copernicus (educated in such school) and many others would disagree with you. Personally I don't care who announcing some scientifically proved theory. Beside of that the clergy rather don't work on professional carrier these days.



Don't hesitate to post them. :)



They are for abortion on demand, so how a Christian could vote on them? The rest of your sentence was proved wrong above.

Don't know, don't care.... But Im sure you will tell me.....


There isn't one your right... But not because of the Church.... but because the people demanded it.... I never heard of the Church every adovacating such a position...



They might not exclude it but they sure don't teach it..... They only teach creationism...



Some science church accepts and some science the church does not.... They sure as hell don't accept stem cell research or any genetic research.... They see it as humans playing God......



Like I said already, I don't support all the positions of politicans as I don't support all the positions of the church...... however doesn't mean I can't support either of them because they have many positions that I do agree with....


Here's a hypothetical for you.... Let's say you have a politican where you know that he would stamp out all corruption, bring in the highest economic growth in a decade, improve health care, improve education, improve the whole country.... Would you not vote for him just because he supports abortion.... No need to answer I already know the answer to that.....

Almost forgot,

I think Poland's abortion stance is perfect....... Only in cases of rape or medical reasons...



There stance on condoms....... There stance on no sex before marriage, etc I can still list more if your intrested...

I concur with Matthias pretty much.

Unfortunately, teenagers' lives are more run by hormones that they should be...which is why they need to be monitored more by honest adults, not predator types (ones who take advantage of them, male or female).

Now I understand the Church can't adovate such things and say it's okey(so I respect there stance) but that's why it's good that we have the state to step in and be much more pratical when it come's to such matters...

The next pope will be probably an african or an latin american national...surely Julie (and Crow) will then like him more! :)

Popes 7 new sins:
1. Biothetic violations such as birth control

2. "Morally dubious" experiments such as stem cell research

3. Drug abuse

4. Polluting the environment

5. Contributing to widening divide between rich and poor

6. Excessive wealth

7. Creating poverty

Ditto, Matthias!

Bratwurst, it doesn't matter what nationality they are; as long as they do their best at being a World Leader. Being a Pope is very difficult, because it's being the leader of the Roman Catholic Church, and thus much more is expected out of them right out of the gate! The Pope is like a conscience, to the evil, genocidal governments that way, without being political, I suppose.

I hope to see the end of Genocide in my lifetime.

http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=931ebcc047 5f62fffa67a2547c3a8453

Interesting article about the growth of religion in officialy aethist Cuba....

Before you start criticizing you should learn at least your opponent reasons.



Church exist much longer than democracies and still you cannot show one example from the past. You have no slightest evidence to make such judgment.



Creationism don't exclude evolution and otherwise. These are two different subjects, biology teachers don't talk about creationism as well. When creationism is clearly based on belief, evolution pretends to be science. So obviously you make contradictory claims, blame the church for not teaching about evolution and on other hand you don't want the church be involved in science. You cannot have both ways...




Help me to understand your point. Why do you oppose abortion, what is the reason?
This is very simple issue if you use logical reasoning.



I will answer just after I learn about your reason to oppose abortion.



I fail to see how these position may negatively affect a country. Lack of per-marriage sex would save many Africans if they would stick to church's teachings. Even if you don't follow this you could hardly claim that somebody who has different opinion could not live well . While the country should stick its nose to personal decisions of individuals. This sort of issues could no be regulated from the top anyway.

What so difficult to understand. There is no good reason why a women who is raped can't have an abortion. It was not her fault and she had no control over getting pregnant. Now please tell me this good reason that you think qualifies......



In case you didn't know throughout the middle ages the Church was linked to government. Popes had power of governments. The church did not voluntarily give up this power, they had no choice but to accept it.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism
Some light reading creationism is used to reject the theory of evolution... As to your second point why would science teachers teach about creationism. Science deals with theories that can be observed or there is evidance for.. Science deals with facts not faith. As for the church they should teach the truth, if there's evidance that creastionsim is a lie why teach it?



Why because I believe that a child is innocent and had no choice to be created as for the mother and father they had the choice to have sex or not.



well now you can answer it.....



The church's teachings can negatively affect a country because it's clear condoms can help prevent the spread of std's and teaching against this is not practical because it's clear people are going to have sex regardless. Now I respect the position of the Church, how can they adovate sex however you must admit that it's not very practical.

But it does.


Evolution IS science.


Why not? There are plenty of Catholic scientists, and the Vatican maintains numerous scientific facilities, labs and supports various scientific departments in the univeristies it sponsors.

The Big Bang theory was first introduce by a catholic priest. Most Catholic Universityties teach evolution. The Vatican accepts evolution as science, and in fact the RC Church's position on fundamentalism and literal interpretation of the bible is pretty clear - it is an intellectual suicide.

This is age of kings and they were the masters. Of course they could not afford to waste talents of educated clergy.


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Creationism according to RCC doesn't reject evolution. Here is stance of the Polish bishops URL
Evolution in science when we talk about biological process. Big Bang theory is not based on evidence, like creationism it is a belief. Simplicity of both theories is very similar.



No such evidence exist, provide one if you can...



There is a logical hole here. You write about innocent child, a human. If so, like every innocent human being this child have some fundamental rights, for example a right to life. You cannot punish one person for wrong-doings of others. If you deny such child right to life, this will backfire sooner or later because precedent exist and other groups might be targeted later. Biologically there is no basic difference between unborn children. If you divide them on some groups where one are allowed to be born while others not then this is your irrational (because emotional) decision not a scientific fact.



This is impossible. A person who fails to understand basic social issues or is morally so twisted could not run the country with such outcome. On other hand slogans like "improve health care or education" are typically populist, politician who raise them these days is a liar and cannot be trusted. Do you have such dilemma? :)

Anyway what is worth more for a Christian innocent life (Decalogue) or money (Judaszowe srebrniki?)? You cannot buy everything.

Kings were not masters, at least not always... You have the wrong image of a king. Even a king had to make alliances and he could not always afford to alienate the church. However this doesn't matter because it doesn't change the fact that the church did not accept sepration of church and state eagerly, it was more like becaue they had no choice.



Well according to RCC, however the reality is quite differant. Creationalism is primarily used to be an alternative to the theory of evolution. Creationalism is used so we reject evolution. If the church had it's choice they would not admit to evolution however kind of difficult with so much evidance.


wrong..........



Well for one, depending on the forms of creationisms because there are several. One form believes in the exact creation as described in Genesis. LOL First off carbon dating tells us the earth is billions of years old not 10,000(give or take) as Genesis tells us.
Without writing a book about all the evidance the one above should suffice.



I know where your heading with this.... Good point.... Yes I adovate that the unborn child has rights. However in case of rape the sin of abortion rests with only the father who committed the rape and not with the innocent mother(who had no choice to being raped). So I still see all abortion as sin but in case of rape where there is abortion only the rapist and not the raped commits the sin of abortion. The rapist has a choice, the raped doesn't have much of one.



Are you serious that this is impossible........ I can list you a couple American president's who were for abortion yet while they were in term the country has experienced huge economic growth, reduction in debt, better healthcare and education reforms. Come on dude, be serious you know this is not true...



Good point, unfortunately money makes the world go round.... Look at poor African nations who have no money to feed there people... Poverty, disease and crime is rampant. So yes money can't buy everything but it sure can buy a lot..

I feel that Polish catholics don't resent him, they just haven't given up on the memory of JPII. The initial reaction was one of disgust amongst certain people when they heard it was a German but the reaction was tempered somewhat later. JPII still lives on in the memories of Poles and always will

Of course that king were the masters and need for alliances does not change this, today's governments are also involve countries into different alliances and have in fact much more to say than old monarchs. As far as separation is concentrated, this is your opinion not based on evidence.




We discuss primarily about RCC, I don't know and care less what Muslims or Hindu people think about it.



What was before Big Bang? What caused Big Bang? How could Big Bang create a life from nothing? Perhaps a God caused Big Bang? :) Fundamental questions without answer...



You raise religious aspect of sin, while from religious perspective one sin doesn't justify another. Beside of that from legal point of view one person cannot be punished for wrongdoings of other. While you would allow the child to be killed a criminal will continue his miserable life with human right activists monitoring whether he wont be punished too severely and taxpayers forced by politicians founding him luxury conditions in hotel (sorry prison!).




I'm deadly serious, politicians cheat you, promise heaven and proclaim to be success everything what they did. In the first country they say that they want copy perfect model of second country and in this second country they say that they want to copy perfect model of this first country. While when you talk with people from other countries they say that their model sucks as well. Politicians want just to create more jobs in public sphere for their palls in bureaucratic apparatus. How many years people can buy these empty promises? The highest time to destroy this bubble.



Money don't solve any problems, Africans must take care of their problems themselves and Europeans and Americans should rather concentrate to not spoil their effort. Spanish empire collapsed when they gained control over American gold.

I wanted to write MUCH LESS TO SAY THAN OLD MONARCHS...