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What are your 10 fave things about Poland? And 10 least favourite?


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Amathyst
  Nov 19, 06, 13:09  #61

Quoting: iwona, Post #65
This is shallow, consumer Society.


Yep, people dont have time for family these days, too busy making money and spending it...sad but true, but some English value family and I suppose it comes down to what you have been brought up with

Quoting: iwona, Post #65
"cold as a fish"


We like to call it being reserved, again its all down to how you are brought up and what you know and are used to.

As things I liked about Poland, everything apart from poor service, but hey you cant have everything can you??

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Lakelandhiker
  Nov 19, 06, 14:04  #62

Quoting: iwona, Post #65
Problem with native people from UK is that lots ( not all) of them are "cold as a fish" - as they don't understand us they attack us. They think that their world is perfect with getting rid of old unwanted people ( eutanasia or living them in "homes" and sending card once a year), getting rid of unwanted children (abortion) , no religion -for what? Just enjoy your life to max and have as many pleasures as possible giving back as little as possible.

This is shallow, consumer Society.


I am from the UK Iwona, and unfortunatly I have to agree with your comments. People here have more money now and easier lives than they have ever had. However dispite this they are not as happy as they used to be. I think Britain is top if the "teenage mothers" league, and top of the "divorce" league. Sad really.

I hope your country can keep all the values that matyjasz listed in his post.

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Syrena_04
  Nov 19, 06, 15:24  #63

Quoting: Lakelandhiker, Post #68
I hope your country can keep all the values that matyjasz listed in his post.


That's part of what I liked about Poland. It felt to me as life did 40 years ago: no-nonsense, wholesome, down-to-earth. I would be sad to see it disappear and be replaced by today's mad rush and superficial lifestyle.

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lef
  Nov 19, 06, 15:46  #64

Matyjasz.

I liked your post.. thats the ideal and it is hoped all polish people could appreciate all this...unfortunately we live in the real world and nothing will ever be perfect, we need to work on it....making critical comments about poland doesn't mean you are anti poland, it could be that love poland and you want things changed for the better!.

Its a pity that the 800,000 odd poles who have left poland to work overseas haven't appreciated poland and have sought greener pastures?

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kryzs [Guest]
  Nov 19, 06, 19:54  #65

I been to poland only as a kid , never as an adult .S o I will tell you what I remember was my favorit till this day..

Polish Castles That was cool ..

Feeling safe and running wild at night as a 12 year old could........

My moms sisters Farm , all those chickens . Waliking a cow...

Cutting the end tips of the tails ,off the wild kittens in my uncles barn. then they would put this purple stuff on the end of there tails that was funny. All theses kittines with the end of there tail tip all purple........

My cousins Pigions....

All the coka cola I could drink , Or i mean Oranzada. all i could drink..

This big giant polish church building in the midlde of tyczyn. I would hide there.......lol

The bus rides in to rzeszof........

Polish Ice cream . I wonder if thats still the same.. taste...

going on Hey rides .............

The polish bike they purchased for me to keep me busy..........it was a Yubilat ..
( Is thats spelled write) It was a fold up bike.........

Oh yes and all the pierogi, and kolachki cherry flavored..

Going mushroom hunting with my uncle on the back of his mottoguzi in pouring rain......

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lef
  Nov 19, 06, 23:03  #66

Quoting: Matyjasz, Post #63
OK, here is my list:


I'm surprised that you haven't made any reference to the church and the catholic faith which has been handed down over a thousand year period. hmmmmmmmmm

Seems poles are showing less and less interest in their faith....poles will become poorer for this...

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Maati
  Nov 20, 06, 04:20  #67

"Seems poles are showing less and less interest in their faith....poles will become poorer for this..."

Poorer? Maybe they become more educated and less manipulated by the church and pseudocatholic nazi politicians?

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Arien
  Nov 20, 06, 06:29  #68

very dutch point of vieuw that.

I do agree that a total lack of moral supervision from the church or any other institute for that matter makes a society poorer in a few ways though.

teenage pregnancies, drug abuse, egocentric, offensive and agressive behaviour. it's sad, but some people do seem to need some guidance nowadays. - or maybe I sound like an old man? -

so I'm not being totally anti-religious, just looking at the positive things to learn from both worlds.

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Bartolome
  Nov 20, 06, 08:43  #69

I wonder why nobody from the Polish ppl gathered here hasn't mentioned ZUS yet... It's DEFINITELY one of the worst things in Poland... This Moloch consumes half of your salaries for your 'pension', but in fact that money goes to total waste (i.e. feeding an army of rude biurwas and raising up more and more marble office buildings). And none of the governements elected after '89 has shown enough balls to reform that leech that bleeds our nation of its hard earned wonga and is one of the major factors that supresses development in Poland.

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FISZ
  Nov 20, 06, 08:45  #70

Quoting: kryzs, Post #71
Cutting the end tips of the tails ,off the wild kittens in my uncles barn


That is so f*cking cruel. Why would you do that?

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krysia
Edited by: krysia  Nov 20, 06, 08:57  #71

Yeah, that's sick.
My friend's dad in Poland did the same thing. And they drown unwanted kittens and puppies . They put them in a sack and throw them in the river.

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miranda
  Nov 20, 06, 09:04  #72

Quoting: Bartolome, Post #75
to reform that leech that bleeds our nation of its hard earned wonga and is one of the major factors that supresses development in Poland.

one of teh reasons I left - I was running a bussiness there and ZUS was really making me poorer and poorer. NOt to mention the fact that I had to write 3 cheques for them on monthly basis. It's not easy to run bussiness in Poland at all .

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Bartolome
  Nov 20, 06, 09:31  #73

I understand you miranda. Our sick to bone pension system is one of the reasons why I left Poland. I don't want to be paid scraps when I retire.

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FISZ
  Nov 20, 06, 10:43  #74

It aggrivates me that I can't snowboard out of bounds, but at least you can see the police coming in those neon yellow vests

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Matyjasz
Edited by: Matyjasz  Nov 20, 06, 12:29  #75

Syrena_04, Iwona and lef, thanks for the encouraging words. Always love to receive a compliment.

Quoting: lef, Post #70
making critical comments about poland doesn't mean you are anti poland, it could be that love poland and you want things changed for the better!.


Than your love for Poland must be as big as the country itself.

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miranda
  Nov 21, 06, 20:50  #76

I have one:
talking to people on the train - there is always somebody to stike the conversation with.
I loved it.

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Matyjasz
  Nov 22, 06, 06:23  #77

Very well then lef. Here's my less favorite things:

1. Bureaucracy,

2. Wages could be better,

3. ZUS,

The rest are just small things like not free public toilets(1,5 zł isn't that much though), condition of many roads, the "końcówka" thing in stores, etc...but all this “problems” aren’t big nor extremely troublesome for me.


Quoting: lef, Post #94
interested in your opinion of the pros and cons of retiring in poland?



I totally agree with Guest-Vic in the post #54.

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Bartolome
  Nov 22, 06, 09:16  #78

Quoting: Matyjasz, Post #96
condition of many roads

It's not a SMALL thing, especially if you're a driver :/ Polish roads are just terrible.

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FISZ
  Nov 22, 06, 09:21  #79

Quoting: Bartolome, Post #97
Quoting: Matyjasz, Post #96
condition of many roads

It's not a SMALL thing, especially if you're a driver :/ Polish roads are just terrible



It's also the damn trees that they line up right ON the road...tree ally's

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Bartolome
  Nov 22, 06, 09:32  #80

Well, personally I don't mind these trees... Maybe it's because I'm not an 'amateur rally driver' (no offence, Fisz )

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miranda
  Nov 22, 06, 09:33  #81

Roads are terrible, narrow, lined up with trees - which are beautifull, but really dangerous.
What about driving through villages with chickens and other animals crossing the roads.
Not to mention people walking along those roads (especially at night - coming from the dicso), since there are no pavements.
If I was not careful I would kill a few in a very short time - animals and people.
I usually am on a verge of a nervous break down when driving or being driven in Poland.
I am not even going to mention Polish drivers. Unfortunately most of them should not be allowed on the road. Some got their driver's licence illegally - if you know what I mean.

I am not trying to be picky here.

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miranda
  Nov 22, 06, 09:40  #82

Quoting: Bartolome, Post #99
Well, personally I don't mind these trees... Maybe it's because I'm not an 'amateur rally driver' (no offence, Fisz )

Oh, please (typical Polish mucho attitude). Lots of people close to me died becaus of those trees - no excuse and NO - it has nothing to do with driving skills.
That's what buggs me about some of the Polish attitude - when criticised - they take it personally, or too lightly - insted of accepting it as a constructive criticism.
There is no chance for improving things if one is not going to take it for what it is.

Countries need infrastructure and road system is one of the most important ones.
See the map of western Europe and their road infrastructure. Have you ever looked at Holland map for example? Thank God EU has invested some money in that deparment.

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FISZ
Edited by: FISZ  Nov 22, 06, 09:43  #83

Quoting: Bartolome, Post #99
Well, personally I don't mind these trees... Maybe it's because I'm not an 'amateur rally driver' (no offence, Fisz )


Nor am I...none taken. It's the amt of accidents that PL has each year...and most I see in these trees

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Bartolome
  Nov 22, 06, 09:59  #84

Quoting: miranda, Post #101
Oh, please (typical Polish mucho attitude). (...)
That's what buggs me about some of the Polish attitude - when criticised - they take it personally, or too lightly - insted of accepting it as a constructive criticism.
There is no chance for improving things if one is not going to take it for what it is.


I must admit, that I can't understand what's your point here, M. Would you please be so kind to explain me what part of my post indicates that I can't take any criticism (or take it personally) and am a macho (me ??? macho ???) ???

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lef
  Nov 22, 06, 20:00  #85

Quoting: Matyjasz, Post #96
3. ZUS,


What have you got against ZUS?
Quoting: Matyjasz, Post #96
The rest are just small things like not free public toilets(1,5 zł isn't that much though),


Depends how many times you have to go...and trying to find one when in need.

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krysia
  Nov 22, 06, 23:04  #86

What I like about Poland are little stores everywhere. A sklepik here, another one there, warzywniarz over there, a cukiernia there...
The ice-cream is really, really good.
They use polite words like dziękuję bardzo, proszę pani, proszę bardzo, etc.
The guys treat women and children with respect.
The dogs are well groomed. Not talking about the strays.

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iwona
  Nov 23, 06, 02:49  #87

Matyjasz,
I don't think that anyone likes ZUS in Poland - But our pension system is changing for better now.

In UK papers moan about their pensions it all the time. In Poland at least your pension depends on your salary and years of working in UK state pension is the same.
I mean if there are 2 people one with big salary and big contribution and small salary and small contribution they both end up with the same state pensions.

it is very communistic everyone gets the same.

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Varsovian
  Nov 23, 06, 04:31  #88

I love girls with the name "Iwona" - it's far and away the most attractive Polish name!
Now, I've got that off my chest ...
Mushrooms? Excellent picking in Scotland - much better than in Poland ... no competition from fellow pickers!!
Architecture. Hmmm a tough one.
Warsaw is so ugly, which together with the undrinkable water, is why I don't live in the city but just outside - between Pruszkow and Podkowa. Leafy, green, fresh air, can drink water from the tap ...
Lifestyle made possible by the WKD train line - Warsaw earnings and country living. Eeeh, it's grand!

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Varsovian
  Nov 23, 06, 04:35  #89

Oh Iwona, Iwona - you won't get a state pension at all - your private one may be very good, who am I to know?
The retirement age in the UK is set to go up to 68.
I'll say that again - 68.
No teacher would ever make it!!

I'm concentrating on getting as filthy rich as I can now, then sitting back and teaching English part-time just for the social aspect.

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Lakelandhiker
  Nov 23, 06, 18:22  #90

Quoting: miranda, Post #100
I am not even going to mention Polish drivers. Unfortunately most of them should not be allowed on the road. Some got their driver's licence illegally - if you know what I mean.

I was sent to a sister factory in Poland for a weeks course about this time last year. I had a hire car from Krakow Airport and the drive was about 200km. Out of about 20 people on the course I was the only one who had a hire car, the rest used taxis. The people taking the course were suprised and a little worried about me driving in their country. The driving was not a problem ( I drove on the wrong side of the road in the US for 3 months) However the other drivers were. I was overtaken on double white lines and on corners numerous times where there was zero visability! I also came across 2 accidents in the 200km! I was really suprised how low thae standars of driving was. The roads were also quite poor with big pot holes and deep ruts from the wagons.

Sorry to hear about your losses Miranda.

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