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Zygmunt Szendzielarz, Polish Innocence


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ConstantineK
  Mar 31, 08, 08:29  #1

Zygmunt Szendzielarz (also known as "£upaszko"; March 12, 1910 - February 8, 1951) was a Polish commander of the 5th Vilnian Home Army Brigade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zygmunt_Szendzielarz

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Magdalena
  Mar 31, 08, 09:13  #2

...and...?


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joepilsudski
  Mar 31, 08, 11:21  #3

Looks like he was a Polish patriot.

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VaFunkoolo
  Mar 31, 08, 12:20  #4

The neutrality of this article is disputed.

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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Mar 31, 08, 12:30  #5

ConstantineK wrote:
ConstantineK


ConstatntineK what are you trying to show, that your Russian ancestors isntead of liberating Poland were murdering Polish soldiers who fought against Nazis ? This post shows how it was durring communism. And some people (like Istahu) will think twice before they will start to tell stories about liberation by Soviets ...

Thank you Constantine, good post.




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Harry
  Mar 31, 08, 12:46  #6

Magdalena wrote:
...and...?

You must have missed the bit about ordering the massacre of Lithuanian civilians.

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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Mar 31, 08, 12:54  #7

Harry wrote:
You must have missed the bit about ordering the massacre of Lithuanian civilians.


why before the WWII Poles were smashing majority in Wilno and now they are small miniority, how it has happend ?

The fact that Brits are ....gs. Who wants to go to china so strong ... to see opening ceremony ? Brits ... even Germans don't go there ...


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Magdalena
  Mar 31, 08, 13:06  #8

Harry wrote:
You must have missed the bit about ordering the massacre of Lithuanian civilians.


No, I have not missed it, but I do not see any sense in posting this info with a heading like "Polish Innocence". War is war, and (extremely) nasty things happen. Otherwise, we would need to post similar threads with titles like "Jewish Innocence" - Koniuchy, Naliboki (my ancestors were directly involved on the victim side), "American Innocence" (Hiroshima, Nagasaki), "Allies Innocence" (Dresden, Hamburg) etc. etc.

"Between 20-27 Lithuanians were shot in Dubingiai on 23 June, 1944, during World War II by a local Armia Krajowa unit.[1][2] The crime was supposed to be a retaliation by the Polish commander for an earlier massacre of Polish villagers in Gliti¹kės by colaborationist Lithuanian police" - from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubingiai

- seems like war is not a clean-cut thing at all, at all. Which does not make it any less terrible.

Rather than discussing who was "innocent" or not, I would rather discuss the choices people had / hadn't when in the army and trying to fight the good fight within constantly shifting borders and changing political alliances, as was the case in the Polish Kresy at that time. Mistakes were made - and paid for, in blood.


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ConstantineK
  Apr 1, 08, 05:52  #9

Magdalena wrote:
No, I have not missed it, but I do not see any sense in posting this info with a heading like "Polish Innocence". War is war, and (extremely) nasty things happen.


It was supposed that "Polish "Innocence"". It is rather curious, if Russians kill Poles it is regarded as genocide, when Poles are kiling somebody it is stated only as "war is war".

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Magdalena
  Apr 1, 08, 14:54  #10

ConstantineK:
It is rather curious, if Russians kill Poles it is regarded as genocide, when Poles are kiling somebody it is stated only as "war is war".


Have you read my post? I said it makes no sense in trying to find out who was more "innocent" in a war (regardless of nationality). Apart from the fact that the Russians did kill considerably larger numbers, and were the aggressors, sorry but it's simply true. Check your history books.


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ConstantineK
Edited by: ConstantineK  Apr 4, 08, 08:35  #11

Magdalena:
ConstantineK:
It is rather curious, if Russians kill Poles it is regarded as genocide, when Poles are kiling somebody it is stated only as "war is war".
Have you read my post? I said it makes no sense in trying to find out who was more "innocent" in a war (regardless of nationality). Apart from the fact that the Russians did kill considerably larger numbers, and were the aggressors, sorry but it's simply true. Check your history books.


Oh my God!!! Why are you (western people) always trying to send us to check the history textbooks if only our oppinion is differed from yours? Are you so fully confident in your own knowlages or it is just self-conceit?

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Magdalena
  Apr 4, 08, 11:22  #12

ConstantineK:
Are you so fully confident in your own knowlages or it is just self-conceit?


17 September 1939. Discuss.


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Grzegorz_
Edited by: Grzegorz_  Apr 4, 08, 11:44  #13

ConstantineK:
It is rather curious, if Russians kill Poles it is regarded as genocide, when Poles are kiling somebody it is stated only as "war is war".


LOL ! So you posted a long article about a Polish war hero full of info about Soviet crimes just because there's mentioned some massacre without any evidences ?


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Krzysztof
  Apr 4, 08, 11:58  #14

Magdalena:
Check your history books

LOL, Magda you must have forgotten how the Russians write "history" in their (school) books.

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Grzegorz_
  Apr 4, 08, 12:25  #15

Krzysztof:

LOL, Magda you must have forgotten how the Russians write "history" in their (school) books.


True. I didn't think about It earlier but maybe the guy's problem is that he escaped from train to Katyń, didn't surrender to "Soviet partisans" or NKVD...


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ConstantineK
  Apr 6, 08, 13:33  #16

Magdalena:
ConstantineK:
Are you so fully confident in your own knowlages or it is just self-conceit?


17 September 1939. Discuss.


War is war...besides, there was german's pistols "Walter"

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Magdalena
  Apr 6, 08, 14:50  #17

ConstantineK:
War is war...besides, there was german's pistols "Walter"


I don't get your drift. I thought you wanted to give me your side of the story? I'm interested, I am waiting...


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